clark.evans at gartner.com
Tue Nov 11 09:02:18 PST 1997
> No Sun and me don't seem to talk much (well they don't talk much ... or reply to any email).
> If you have a handle on someome who does talk then please let me have the info.
They have completely avoided me as well. I have been talking infomally with
an attorney in the Sun/MS case, but I am not sure that he can help. I asked
him if he could find someone who was handling cleanroom efforts.
I am specifically worried about:
Sun Microsystems, Inc. (SUN) hereby grants to you a
fully-paid, nonexclusive, nontransferable, perpetual,
worldwide limited license (without the right to sublicense)
under SUN's intellectual property rights that are essential
to practice this specification. This license allows and is
limited to the creation and distribution of clean room
implementations of this specification that (i) include a
complete implementation of the current version of this
specification without subsetting or supersetting, (ii)
implement all the interfaces and functionality of the
standard java.* packages as defined by SUN, without
subsetting or supersetting, (iii) do not add any additional
packages, classes or methods to the java.* packages (iv)
pass all test suites relating to the most recent published
version of this specification that are available from SUN
six (6) months prior to any beta release of the clean room
implementation or upgrade thereto, (v) do not derive from
SUN source code or binary materials, and (vi) do not include
any SUN binary materials without an appropriate and separate
license from SUN.
(iv) is especially distrurbing. In my own capacity, I asked Sun to
please contact me regarding:
1. How do I get the tests mentioed in (iv) for a cleanroom effort.
2. How do I get a license from sun to include binary materials in a
cleanroom the distribution for libraries like JFC and RMI that
are 100% pure.
If I hear from them or get a direct contact, I will forward the reference, if
you would do the same for me this would be great.
I will forward your e-mail to the attorney in question. If he decides to
respond to you this is his choice, however he is only working on
the Microsoft contract. (I hope he does)
In general, I think it would be good for sun to be able to point at the
Kaffe.org and say "See Microsoft... here we have good people out there,
respecting our test suites and licenses.. that haven't even signed."
So they should be very helpful to Kaffee.
Nice to talk!
I have a bunch of Kaffee questions for you... hopefully this legal shit will
be a breeze so that JOS/Kaffe can have an easy time of it.
Tel: (203) 316-3527
clark.evans at gartner.com
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