[kaffe] Fwd: Re: Running Eclipse on Jikes RVM and Classpath (Prize money inside!)

Dalibor Topic robilad at yahoo.com
Tue Apr 8 08:50:01 PDT 2003

Hi all,

If someone is looking for a challenge, you could try
to get Eclipse running on kaffe and claim everlasting
fame, good karma and an associate FSF membership
sponsored by Mark.

dalibor topic

--- Mark Wielaard <mark at klomp.org> wrote:
> From: Mark Wielaard <mark at klomp.org>
> To: Michael Hind <hindm at us.ibm.com>
> Date: 07 Apr 2003 22:35:09 +0200
> CC: classpath at gnu.org
> Subject: Re: Running Eclipse on Jikes RVM and
> Classpath (Prize money
> 	inside!)
> Hi,
> On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 18:55, Michael Hind wrote:
> > As Julian's recent post mentioned, we just put a
> release of Jikes RVM
> > out that relies totally on Classpath and runs a
> significant subset of
> > Eclipse.   A few months back, someone mentioned
> that getting Eclipse
> > started on an open source JVM with Classpath would
> be a good benchmark
> > and suggested that getting it to run in under a
> minute would be a nice
> > goal.
> > 
> > Using a FastAdaptiveSemiSpace image with a 200 Mb
> heap, we got to the
> > sign on screen in approximately 12 secs on a
> Linux/IA32 box.
> That is really amazing. Very good work!
> I don't know if you can claim the prize yet.
> Although I really hope you
> can! Since I never publicly announced the rules.
> Here they are:
> The challenge is to start up a fresh Eclipse (*) and
> being able to quit
> the application through the File menu just after the
> complete welcome
> text is shown under one minute. This must be
> possible on a some standard
> PC (say 1Ghz Athlon/Pentium with 512MB) with only
> Free Software
> installed. It should also be possible to run the
> rest of the Eclipse IDE
> reasonably well (but it doesn't have to be perfect
> yet).
> (*) Note that the first time you startup eclipse it
> first does some
> installion and creates your workspace before really
> starting up. This
> does take some extra time, compared to starting it
> up the second time
> which is noticably faster. (Fresh startup gives two
> splash screens.)
> Now that Eclipse 2.1 is officially out we could say
> that this should be
> done with the official 2.1 Linux (x86/GTK 2)
> release. And that starting
> should be as simple as unzipping
> eclipse-SDK-2.1-linux-gtk.zip and
> doing: cd eclipse; ./eclipse -vm yourvm.
> Note that there is no requirement to use GNU
> Classpath as core class
> library, any free implementation of the standard
> classes is acceptable
> so Kaffe or Wonka can also try to claim the prize.
> Basically if the
> entry makes it possible to include all software
> necessary to run Eclipse
> and Eclipse itself into the main archive of Debian
> GNU/Linux (which only
> contains Free Software) it qualifies.
> The Prize! I will make the winner an Associate
> Member of FSF for one
> year ($120,-) <http://member.fsf.org/benefits.html>
> or (if requested)
> buy them something (books or gear) from GNU Press
> (for the same amount
> of money) <http://www.gnupress.org/>.
> I am not sure what to do if the entry is clearly a
> group effort. Maybe
> we can convince the FSF to give a honorably group
> membership. Or just
> buy all group members (max 6) a GNU Cap
> <http://www.gnu.org/gear/baseball-cap.html>.
> Since I will pay for the prize I will be the judge.
> We could have a little vote on the Classpath
> mailinglist,
> but I can veto and my decision will be final ;-)
> Just email me or the classpath mailinglist (a
> pointer to) the
> instructions to build your VM and run Eclipse on a
> free platform.
> (Please allow a week to recreate the environment and
> check your entry.)
> This is the status of some of the VMs as far as I am
> aware:
> - IKVM.NET: Can run eclipse and starts just under
> one minute. But uses
> proprietary MS .NET implementation to do it. We need
> to get it running
> on Mono (or dotGNU) on a free platform (GNU/Linux,
> FreeBSD, ...)
> - gcj (3.3 CVS): Able to run eclipse when the
> verifier is disabled. But
> it still takes several minutes. Class loading and
> exception handling
> seem to be the bottlenecks. It might be possible to
> precompile some of
> the Eclipse libraries to native code which would
> speedup the program
> alot. (I am willing to not count the disabling of
> the byte code verifier
> against gij/gcj since non of the other free VMs seem
> to have one.)
> - Jikes RVM (2.1.1): Starts Eclipse amazingly fast.
> Only roadblock seems
> to be that it is not yet selfhosting. (It would be
> OK to use a non-free,
> proprietary VM to start the bootstrap, but after
> this it should be able
> to bootstrap itself.)
> I am really excited that we are so close to this
> important milestone. I
> certainly had not expected to get this far (and
> fast!) just 4 months
> ago.
> Cheers,
> Mark
> P.S. I know that it is unfair to give a prize to the
> someone that "just"
> gives that last missing link while alot of people
> have spend years
> creating all the supporting code. But I really don't
> have the means to
> reward all the people involved appropriatly. I just
> thought it would be
> a fun thing (for everybody) to make it into a
> challenge with a small
> (but real!) prize :)
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